Into the Water by Paula Hawkins Discussion points: contains SPOILERS

Warning topics covered include rape and suicide. I appreciate that these are complex emotive subjects and I have made simplistic comments as prompts for discussion.

  •  As mentioned the book has lots of narratives. Also I think Hawkins does not make the family relationships particularly distinct. With Katie’s family, Katie was not introduced straight away, making, making difficult to see how the family fitted in. At one point when,  it was unclear who Katie was I may have got Shaun and Josh, confused because both young boys. I got particularly confused about Patrick’s family. Lauren was not named much; she was often just referred to naturally by Shaun as his Mum. Then I think at some point I was thinking of Helen as Patrick’s wife because she lived with him.
  • If you have been eager to read this book, then the temptation is to tear through this book but perhaps, it needs to be read slower, to get familiar with the characters; I still think a character list would help; hence me providing one in my review. Unlike with Girl on the train where it is about the end destination perhaps this one is more about the journey; and time should of be taken to appreciate all the characters and sub plots.

A reviews of Into the Water by Paula Hawkins (Author of Girl on the Train). For those reading it or thinking of reading it onwards. Including a character list (without spoilers) which I think would have been handy at the front of the book.

  • I think more could have been made about the rape of Jules. It is certainly statuary rape, because she was below age of consent. The book did not go into enough detail about the actual event for the reader to really engage. It could have been made dynamic; perhaps she partly did it as revenge against her sister for not standing up for her or at least allowed him to kiss her to get back at her sister / feel better about herself but he then kept going further. That would have made the story more interesting.
  • I also felt that the relationship between Mark and Katie; could have been explored in more detail. Was it love? Was she taken advantage of?  More could have been made if the juxtaposition between Jules and Katie. Was Jules more innocent then Katie? Did Katie seduce Mark albeit she was too naive too anticipate full emotional impact. As men are less mature the age gap between a young man and mature teenage can seem smaller than it is. Yes of course he, should have had more sense but these things happen and exploring it more would have been fascinating.
  • So hard to understand why Katie thought things, were so bad she had to kill herself. Not sure how well researched that was; but perhaps such deaths can often seem illogical, so it is realistic. Perhaps the history of place but suicide in mind. This week I was thinking about how when places get a reputation as a suicide spot; it can be a self fulfilling prophecy.

Mental Health Awareness: Suicide Reporting Guidelines

Also did Jules went to kill herself; pergapas that juxtaposition could have been explored too.

  • I do not think it was ever revealed why Nell had been so keen to talk to Jules. Had she suspected Patrick was a murderer? Or was it one of her routine calls to Jules?

A reviews of Into the Water by Paula Hawkins (Author of Girl on the Train). For those reading it or thinking of reading it onwards. Including a character list (without spoilers) which I think would have been handy at the front of the book.

It’s a unique book rather than being a copy of Girl on the train. It is not centered around a unreliable narrator. In fact it has several narrators. Different narrators are in different time zones and some narrators speak from different time zones. I could not remember Lauren’s name at the end because I just thought if her as ‘Shaun’s Mum’. The chapters just had people’s first names, not surnames so it was difficult to remember who was related.  I felt I could have done with a character list at the front of the book to flick back to therefore I have provided one below. 

I do feel that the book could have been more streamlined with less narrators; for example do not think needed narratives from Nicky or Erin. I think chopping and changing between characters, prevented suspense building, whereas of course Girl on the train built a lot of suspense. I also think the book incorporates some interesting topics. However I would have liked some of those topics to be touched upon deeper; I will write another post with those thoughts, so as to not present spoilers here. It is unfair to judge any book against Girl on the train because that was exceptional. It was an interesting, enjoyable read but I think it has not reached the potential in that although author writes in an engaging way and it flows nicely, it lacks impact. Although  I have read reviews from those who were were underwhelmed by Girl on the train. To be fair I think I had got Girl on the train dissed by the end, yet the suspense was still there; dramatic last pages and you were not sure whether there was gone to be a last twist. Whereas this book is more about story telling; the last part tails off in an attempt to tie up lose ends. That being said; Both books are good holiday books for the summer!

Reference character list

Libby  Seeton suspected witch drowned in the pool 1679.

Anne Ward died in the Water 1920. 

Prior to 1983 the book mentions the following had also died in the pond but does not give details of when although possibly they were between Libby and Anne: Mary Marsh, Ginny Thomas, Lauren Slater.

Lauren Townsend found dead in the pool 1983.

Patrick Townsend. Lauren’s husband. Policeman before retirement.
Shaun Townsend Lauren’s son a child at the time of death. By 2015 a policeman.

Katie found in the pool June 2015
Louise Katie’s Mum.

Josh Katie’s brother

Nell Abbott found in pond August 2015. She has been researching the other deaths in pond. She had a daughter (Father unknown) and a sister.

Jules Abbott Nell’s sister. 

Lena Abbott: Nell’s daughter

Mark: Katie and Lena’s teacher.

Nickie Sage Local tarot card reader, seance host.

Jeanie Sarge: Nickie’s daughter I think (correct me if I’m wrong). She is a police lady.

Erin police lady

book review: Into the Water by Paula Hawkins

Finished into the Water last night… review coming later. Unlike in re ire below I probably liked Girl on the train more. But now read below, do remember I had worked out what had happened in Girl on the train, well before the end.

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INTO THE WATER by Paula Hawkins
★★★★
US pub date: May 2, 2017
Publisher: Riverhead Books
My review on Goodreads

As someone who liked but didn’t love The Girl on the Train, my expectations for Into the Water weren’t particularly high. If anything, I was expecting another entertaining but fairly run of the mill thriller with a predictable outcome. (Honestly, I only added Into the Water to this month’s BOTM box because I loved the cover so much.) But I loved this, and if I was secretly expecting Paula Hawkins to rest on her laurels a little bit with her sophomore novel, I was proved very, very wrong. Into the Water outdoes The Girl on the Train in just about every conceivable way.

Into the Water begins when Jules Abbot gets a call that her sister Nel is dead, drowned. This brings Jules back to the small town of…

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Queen Elizabeth 11 Drop Scones; recipe from Letters of Note compiled by Shaun Usher

One of the major selling points of this book was it contained a letter from Queen Elizabeth to Presidents Eisenhower, written in 1960. Which included a recipe for drop scones that she had served him.

The book includes clear photos of the original letters and also a transcript of the letters, in case any of the handwriting is difficult to read. Additionally there is a paragraph giving the background to the letter.

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Queen Elizabeth’s book is the first proper letter in the book (technically the first is a letter from Shaun Usher). It is amazing to see the Queen’s handwriting on Buckingham palace headed notepaper; I thought it would be fun to try to replicate her recipe. At first when I saw scones, I was thinking the type of scones you have with jam and cream. But another name for drop scones is scotch pancakes. They are denser than what , I would class as an English Shrove Tuesday pancake. More towards an American pancake hence why they may have appealed to the American president.

The recipe does not contain much method; it is mainly a list of ingredients, so google had to come in play for some of the method. Also google was needed because ‘our Liz’, did not seem to use scales. Instead in  the recipe; ingredients are measured in tea cups. I do not own a tea cup. I have interpreted a tea cup as about 130g and therefore where a quarter of a tea cup was listed for sugar, I used 30g. For the milk where 2 teacups were required I used 350ml. The recipe also called for two tablespoons of butter, so I faithfully tried to scrape butter up from block with a spoon; my first attempt was more like a half spoon, so then had to scrape another half spoon. Probably just cutting about 2cm in from a block of butter along short side would have been about right.

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When working out the quantities; I should have realised that the recipe was for 16 people. I’m afraid to say there was lots of waste. As there was no method I first tried, putting batter over whole pan like a normal pancake; that was a complete mess burnt in places despite not cooking in the middle as was so thick. I then read should be just a tablespoon for each scone ‘dropped’ in; clue may have been in the title! Even then I had issues getting middles cooked without burning the top and bottom.  I was cooking in butter in a pan; some methods called for a griddle pan, so maybe that would help.

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When cooked the drops scones should be quite spongy. I did not have cream of tartar, so I put in 3 teaspoons of bicarbonate of soda instead of 2. The bitternessc of the bicarbonate of soda was overpowering; I would say do not put more than a teaspoon of it in! I ended up adding more sugar to the batter to try and compensate. I then smothered in golden syrup – is that a British item or do you get it else where?

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Not all the letters; give rise to such projects but, it is a good coffee table book to dip into; which gives glimpses into history. For example there is a letter from Queen Mary of Scotland, written in French their her brother the night before she was executed, a letter from Mark Chapman trying to sell the album John Lennon signed before later in the day Chapman shot him, a letter from Mick Jagger to Andy Warhol as regards as album design and many more!

Book Scavanger 3

A Scavanger inspired by following; more of it to come next weekend.

Book inspiration including books made into films out in 2017

A book with season in title:

The Summerhouse by Jude Deveraux


In this book 3 women turning 40 together, get to see how their life would have been if they took another path. After seeing this vision they then get to choose whether to keep new or old life and with each option whether they get to remember or forget alternative path. Thought provoking about, whether life leading is best or could have been better.

A Story within a Story

Think as Olive Kitteridge is a novel made up of short stories, it counts as a story within a story. See previous posts for more information.

A book with multiple authors


Previous Victims is a true crime story. It is about a family who’s baby daughter goes missing and it is unclear what has happened to the baby. Three years later the families second baby daughter also goes missing; casting further suspicion upon the family itself. The book is written by Don W Weber a prosecutor and stormy who was a prosecutor in the case and Charles Bosworth an investigative reporter who covered both apparent kidnaps.

A book with a red spine


This is my last remaining Enid Blyton. Mostly I had old paperback Enid Blyton’s, but this one my sister bought me as a child for my birthday.

Giving a way my Enid Blyton books; must have spent hours of my childhood reading them …

A book with a cat on the cover

I thought there would be multiple to choose from but could only find this.

A book made into a film released in 2017.

I had zoo keeper’s wife because I bought it to read before I watched film. I was talking to a friend who works at a cinema last night and she says it is not being shown much because it did not do well in first week. This seems a real shame as one of those true stories that is so amazing that, it would be totally unbelievable if someone had written it. The one cinema I could find that was showing it, is not showing it this weekend. During the week it was only being shown at 15.00 and next week at 12:00; so it is now rather a self fulfilling prophecy that not main people will watch. I ended up with a private screening as no one else watched it at 15:00 on a Thursday with me.

Zookeeper’s Wife Film

Are all true stories: non fiction? Review of The Zoo Keeper’s wife.

 

 

Are all true stories: non fiction? Review of The Zoo Keeper’s wife.

I approached this book as a novel but looking it up after reading I see it is classed as non fiction. This means currently I’m questioning what non fiction is. Are all books based on true stories non fiction?

Approaching the book as a novel, I found it very text book like a times albeit not a hard core  arduous text book to read. But spinning that round, if it is a textbook it is a user friendly text book because the chronological order has a good narrative running through which keeps you wanting to read more. The opening chapter draws you in. It is very descriptive; describing the central characters Jan and Antonina and their zoo but it a more free flowing natural way then later passages that seem more text book like. The opening chapter and the book’s title the zoo keeper’s wife create a homely, wholesome image which creates a sharp contrast to the war that follows the opening chapter.

The book is obviously well researched, but sometimes it felt like superfluous facts were shoe horned in such as when describing someone thinking; describing Neuron pathways.  The book did make some interesting points comparing animals to humans. Overall it was a good read, but I’m looking forward to seeing it brought to life further in the film which I will capture the colour and quirky atmosphere of the zoo and  engage on a more emotional level. I think watching film first would not ruin this book as the book, is very factual and could be dipped into after to check accuracy of the film. From looking at stills from the film, it looks like in glamorises the book. Considering Antonina mucks in with the zoo and was bed ridden for part of the war; I’m not so sure she looked as glamorous as film on surface portrays.

Olive Kitteridge by Emma Stout contains spoilers

The life of Olive Kitteridge from middle age onwards,  is told as series of chronological snapshots, therefore in this sense it is a novel. However, Each chapter can also be viewed as a separate short story about the community that Olive lives in. In fact some have been published separately in magazines.

In many of the short stories Olive is not the centre of the story, she may be just a minor periphery character.  I lacked time to read each story separately, due to the deadline of needing to have them all read for book club. Although, I had read them quickly, by the end some stories were difficult to remember and how or whether they linked were unclear therefore in the two days before book club I skimmed back to each chapter to summarise it. There  had been so many characters I was not sure whether characters  appeared again. If you too feel the same then below is my summary or if you do not need the summary then my conclusion about the book is below the summary.  In particular I missed how significant Tulip was; if you only read one story out of the book; this would be the one to read as has the most in.

Looking  back and also discussing at book club allowed me to see new layers that were, not so obvious first time round. In fact to appreciate the mult layers even better, at some stage I may even re-read the book.

Book Summary

Pharmacy

The book starts with a story that is mainly focused on Olive Kitteridge’s husband Henry and his assistant in his pharmacy called Denise. Denise is much younger than Henry Kitteridge and at the start of the story married to another Henry. Henry Kitterridge  wants to invite Denise and her husband Henry to dinner but Olive is not keen.

Henry and Denise bond over helping their delivery boy Jeremy. When Denise’s husband Henry dies, Henry Kitteridge helps her, for example teaching her to drive. Although Henry is clearly fond of Denise’s there is no suggestion that their relationship ever went beyond friends, perhaps because of the age difference Densie did not see Henry as anything g but a friend perhaps a Father figure. Olive’s presence is minimal in the pharmacy story; what may not be clear in the story alas becomes apparent later is during the story Olive has desires on Jim Cassey. Jim is Olive’s colleague he gives Olive and her son Christopher lifts to school where the two colleagues work. The story mentions  Olive, stopping going to church although Henry continues the reason, for this is never fully explained; possibly to do with Jim Cassey. Jim Cassey dies during the story from a car crash, it seems the affair between him and Olive never really got going, but perhaps it would have done if he had not died. It is would be easy  to miss but on p33 of the book, it mentions that Henry was aware of Olive crying every night when Jim died but he never acknowleged that. Therefore, seemingly Henry knew about Olive and Jim; I like that this is understated and not a big drama.

Incoming Tide

Again Olive is not the central feature of this story. The story centres around Kevin a former student of Olive who returns to the town apparently with suicidal intentions. Kevin and Olive talk. This story I found less impactful than the first,less multi layered. It seemingly is ambiguous what happens to Kevin, such an ending may have lifted the story. Or does it, does he reappear in Starvation?

Piano Player

Angela O’Meara plays piano in a restaurant that the Kitteridges go to. It is implied that the Kitteridges are regulars at the restaurant as Angela, knows Henry’s favourite song: Good Night Irene. Again Angela’s story was rather lost on me, I believe she was an alcoholic with unrequited love.

Little Burst

This is the story of Olive Kiterridge’s son Christopher’s first marriage. Olive Kitteridge wears gauzy green muslim with big reddish pink geraniums printed all over. The book says ‘she was big but had not always been so big’ perhaps this and mention of her comfort eating are a clues that she had let herself go after Jim’s death. Olive retreats to Christopher’s and his new bride Suzzanne’s bedroom feeling sad about her son marrying. Olive and Henry built the house she is in for Christopher . The story descends into comedy with Olive stealing one of a pair of Suzanne’s shoes to make Suzanne wonder how she lost one shoe.

Starving

Harman is married to Bonnie. He is having an affair with Daisy. He is in the routine of buying them both doughnuts; he gets them wrapped in separate bags so he can take Daisy hers then take the other home to Bonnie. Harman has a grown up son called Kevin who is newly married and his new wife wants children. Although even feels old with ‘a ring on his finger’ he does not feel ready for children; his Father advises him to wait,

Harman and Daisy become entangled in young girl’s life Nina. Nina has had a fight with her boyfireind Tim. Nina has an eating disorder. Olive becomes involved in this when she knocks on Daisy’s door collecting for the red cross. Olive eats the donut which Harman had intended taking home for his wife. Olive comments that Nina is starving and is concerned for her. Ultimately Olive persuades the girl to ring her Mum. Nina becomes like a surrogate daughter for Harman and Daisy and they eat doughnuts with her.

However ultimately, Nina dies.

Typong this form my notes, and thinking did the sucidal boy from Incoming Tide also die and suddenly realised his name was the same as Harman’s son; is it the same Kevin. Did Olive’s earlier intervention save Kevin so that he recovered and married? An interesting thought provoked by the book. Has anyone else who has read this got an opinion whether it is the same Kevin?

A Different Road

In this story Henry who is now 68 and Olive who is 69 get held hostage after what was intended to be a brief trip, to the hospital for Olive to use the toilet. However Olive ends up getting a check up and during this the hostage situation occurs. Henry argues with the hostage taker because of his strong language. Which leads to Olive apologising for Henry on p144 “Please he got that from his Mother. His Mother was impossibe.This  starts an argument between Henry and Olive initially over his Mother then Olive mentions that Chris married a Jew and thinks that Chris stays a way for fear of being judgmental. Henry  retaliates and says that is not the reason; the reason is that after Olive’s Father died she swampled  Christopher’s’ life. Olive tells him to shut up then the hostage taker with the gun gets agitated and tells them to shut up. Henry wet;s him self. They hear police walkie talkies. Olive think’s the boy is about to kill him self so whisper to him not to then the police arrive en mass.

The story ends explaining how they would never get over what was said in that situation; although Henry tried to say they would Olive does not believe him.

Winter Concert

This story seems rather insignificant and unnecessary, nothing really happens and the Kitteridges are just in the audience of a concert which is remarked upon by other audience members.

Tulips

A lot happens in this story. After book club, I have gone back to reread this chapter in it’s entirety.

It is busy from the start where the Larkins are introduced because a lot of what is said about them is in Style of some random character reporting (gossiping) about them therefore lots is names thrown in quick succession at reader. After little about Larkin’s switches to Olive and Chris’s first marriage. It reestablishes Olive’s disdain for her daughter in law who provides menopause recommendations when Olive thinks it is none of her business. Suzanne also states surprise that Olive planted tulips every year at which Olive calls her stupid. This reference is where the title of the story comes from. Suzanne does not argue, just smiles which as p176 states “The girl smiled in a way that made Olive want to slap her’. Henry tells Olive not to speak to Suzanne like that, Olive’s says she will speak to her how she likes. However, it becomes less of an issue when Christopher rings to say they are moving to California; at this point they are 4 months into their marriage. Olive’s life is turned upside down; they are both now retired and therefore have time to fill. Henry takes up wood work. They both join American Civil war society. Olive buys one hundred tulip bulbs.

Just at Henry are Olive are getting settled again Christopher rings to say getting divorced although only married a year. But he states he is not coming back prompting Henry to spend tim going forward with head in hands. Olive states ‘Come on snap out of it…at least your not Roger Larkin, for Gods sake”. They continue to try and deal with it by keeping busy; including tracing family history.  Christopher does not engage much with them when they rings and puts them off visting
Olive loses interest in preparing meals so Henry takes over buying groceries. On one grocery trip Henry brings back flowers, that are half dead. She gets Henry to put the flowers in a case, he then hugs her but she is keen to get on and plant her bulbs. A week later after Henry leaves Olive in car to run errands, he collapses.

The story then skips to when the tulip bloomed. Olive is lonely Henry can not speak and is in a nursing home. Christopher comes to visit but for less than a week; claiming he can not stay longer due to work. Being with people also irritates her for example Daisy who she had shared experience of Nina’s death due to eating disorder in Starvation. It is a card from Louise Larkin who was a guidance counsellor at school where Olive worked that gets though to her; it said “He was always a nice man; and I’m sure he still is”. Olive goes to visit Louise but, it does not go well. Louise compares her son Doyle to Christopher. Louise talks to Olive about suicide. Louise makes mistake of letting on that one of Henry’s nurses has been passing on news of him. A nurse Matt  Olive considered to be a gossip because she gossiped about Louise.  Olive had warned nurse Mary not to gossip about her husband earlier in the story.  In anger Olive tells Louise that Mary had gossiped about her too.

Even after 2nd reading, I’m confused where it says what Louise’s son had done. It seems he did something to a woman. As Olive is trying to leave Louise gets agitated and tries to blame the woman “she was a cocktease’

Basket of Trips

Marlene Boney who Olive taught at school, husband has died. Olive goes o the funeral then helps with preparations for the wake.She goes because she knows Henry would have done, if he had not been in a home.

Ship in a Bottle

I enjoyed tis story. it is about a girl who has jilted at the altar. Olive barely features in, it just one mention because the jiltered girl’s younger sister had been taught bu Olive.

The title of the story refers to a layer of the story underneath the jilted at the altar story. The step Father of the jilted girl and Father of her sister is building a boat in the basement; when it is finished it is not certain whether it will be possible to get it out of the basement so it may have to remain; there for ever like a ship in a bottle.

Security

A story where Olive actually features strongly and hence this was one of the most memorable stories for me because, it seemed more relevant to the novel,. Her son Christopher has remarried. His new wife is pregnant with their child and has two young children from a previous relationship. Suggesting Olive is not used to leaving her community and hence why she is so well known in her community, shew struggles to cope with going through security procedures each times she has to on her journey to and from Christopher’s

The visit initially seems to go relatively well. There is enough grit to the story to show that it is no pink tinged dream; there is tension.

Olive is disturbed find out that Christopher’s  lodger is her former potential lover Jim’s son.  Nothing really comes of Olive seeing Jim’s son. I like that this is far subtler than sa soap opera when the son, would have featured in the story as a trigger to dramatic scenes perhaps revelations about the affair. People can come back from past lives which cause disconsertion but ultimately it is just lived with.In this story it describes how Olive initially met Jim at a town meeting. Jim and her keep catching each other’s eyes throughout the meeting. On p265 it reads “She had the sensation she had been seen. And she had not even known she felt invisible”. On the same page Jim asks if she would leave with him, if he asked and Olive says yes. On the next page Jim say’s “Perhaps a good thing I haven’t asked you”. It seems although nothing physically happened between them there was an undercurrent; a potential that something might; but then Jim died. Back in the present of the story Christopher claims not to know or care whether their lodger is Jim’s son.

Olive’s visit is cut short when she gets offended by something minor. I think she initially intended just to threaten to leave, but Christopher does not give into emotional blackmail and deals with it calmly and refuses to take her to the airport so she has to make her own way there.

Criminal

After becoming more acquainted with Olive in previous story; this one I’m not really sure where she fits in. Is Rebecca in the story another former pupil? Rebecca steals a magazine from the doctor, buys a shirt from her Father and does Rebecca turn into an arsonist? I’m not sure as knowing there were not many pages left I wanted to learn more about Olive.

River

This is the final story, in many ways loose ends do not get tied up. Olive is now a widow she regularly gets up early and walks along the river; but the Strout does not use this as a device for her to reflect on her life. Instead Olive grows to know a man that she originally finds collapsed on the river bank and helps. They go out for lunch and Olive is reluctant to get to know him but later has a change of heart. Therefore at the end of the book it seems like olive is about to start a new chapter in her life.

My Conclusion

At point I get confused by this book and some felt irrelevant. But I think it is a great concept, giving snapshots of someone’s life  may think they are central to their story but they are also at the periphery of other people’s stories, as this book shows.

Olive seems very much part of her community, from her issues with severity when visiting Christopher, I wonder whether she ever left much. Certainly, she wanted her son to stay there, she had even with Henry built the house Christopher initially lived in alone then with his first wife Suzanne. Despite in the security story, stating she felt invisible, she was actually visible to many people being a school teacher and although she gave up going to church she still collected for the red cross. It seems like the Kitteridge’s were well known in the community they frequented restaurants where they were recognised, in Winter Concert their presence is remarked upon, in Ship in a bottle her former pupil remembers her.

The book is not Olive’s whole life, it starts in middle age. Some at book club would have liked to have had a story about how Henry and Olive met to give context. Conversely for me starting the book later in life, than many such books would have done differentiated the book. The book shows a lot can happen from middle life on. In Olive’s case her potential lover dies, She builds a house for her son, her son marries twice, she talks to suicidal Kevin, she offers help to Nina but ultimately has to live with her dying, she is held hostage and potentially prevents hostage taker killing himself, her husband becomes debilitated and subsequently dies and at the end of the book she has the chance of a new partnership.

So unusual to know so little about the title character of a book by the time it is finished; left thinking what clues there were but this is so great; I have read the book, flicked through to summarise, flicked back some more and thought more whilst writing this (the book is looking well thumbed) and may read again; it is not going to the charity shop. Some book club books I read because they are not what I would normally read, I struggle to engage with and they are soon in the charity bag. Currently I’m reading for book club The history of seven killings; I say reading but, many pages are being skipped and I’m not revising it further because spending enough time on it.

From other reviews I have read people do not seem to have liked Olive’s character much. I think she is well rounded, not a perfect person but real and therefore engaging. Her students obviously respected her and the book includes three men who more than liked her. I do include Henry as one of those three; yes they squabbled , but he did want to protect her in hostage situation and he suspected she had cheated on him with Jim yet did not  give her grief about it. At times when she did not want to cook because she was upset about Jim, he cooked for her. Some people seem to think of Henry as a hero but was he? Was it Henry that had driven Christopher away because being a church goer he disapproved of Christopher marrying a Jew? Perhaps Olive did swamp her son but, that is at worse misguided. She is a woman with opinions; nothing wrong with that. Really there is it enough to judge her on; in this thought provoking book. Apparently HBO turned the book into a 4 part series; I would be interested to see how they interpreted the book. Has anyone watched the series?
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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